I am a PreTribulation Rapture believer and thoroughly believe as it is written in the KJV Bible that 2 Thessalonians 2:2-3 KJV is talking about the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church “Physical Departure” NOT “Spiritual Departure” before the AntiChrist is revealed.
I am particularly pleased that Angel White brought out a powerful point in her video: JD Farag swaps Day of Christ for the Tribulation. See video link here:
JD Farag swaps Day of Christ for the Tribulation Angel White nails it with JD Farag
She nailed it. However, sadly, Angel White is in great error in not believing in the Pre Tribulation Rapture. It’s also disturbing that this woman is obsessed with Trump being the AntiChrist and seems to be preparing her faithful following to get ready to deal with Trump when he comes in as the AntiChrist. For what it’s worth I believe the Pope may be the AC, or the False Prophet, Maybe Trump could be the AntiChrist I even did a Blog on the subject, but we as saved Christians don’t really care because we will not be here when the AC comes on the scene. We have 1 Thessalonians 4:16,17, 5:1-11 KJV 2 Thessalonians 2:2-3 KJV, 1 Corinthians 15:51-54 KJV proving this as well as Revelation chapters 4 through 6. And From what I can tell Angel White is a mid tribulation Rapture believer. She can read my Blogs in notes below which prove the PreTribulation rapture by scripture alone.
Moving on, as I said in my introduction, we need to look at 2 Thessalonians 2:2-3 KJV an really understand what is being said here. Both Dr. Andy Woods and JD Farag are spot on accurate about the “physical departure” or Rapture is what Paul is referring to in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 KJV. And Dr. Woods goes at great length to prove that it is definitely physical departure that Paul is speaking of. JD Farag jumps on this but both are trying to tell us that the KJV Bible was in error by writing apostasia instead of harpazo. Please see my notes below on why the KJV translators used apostasia instead of harpaso.
This is not the first time I’ve taken both Andy Woods and JD Farag to task on teaching wrong doctrine from using perverted Bible translations. Please see my extensive studies on both of these men:
Dr. Andy Woods almost has it correct but again, his corrupt Bible translation trips him up.
See detailed study on my rebuking Dr. Andy Woods where he butchers Luke 17 because of wrong Bible translation.
Here’s my previous study showing how JD Farag uses corrupt Bible translations to make heretical statements:
Rebuking JD FARAG 2 Timothy 1:7
JD Farag copies Dr. Andy Woods and almost has 2 Thessalonians Chapter 2 verses 2 and 3 correct but again like Dr. Woods is tripped up by using a corrupt Bible translation
Here is what 2 Thessalonians 2:2-3KJV says:
2 Thessalonians 2:2-3
King James Version
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Study at length and anyone can know for certain that the day of Christ means when the Lord Jesus Christ descends from heaven and calls his saved saints home to be with him. This is clearly written in 1 Thessalonians 4:16 KJV and 1 Corinthians 15:52 KJV.
My study is not to prove the day of Christ refers to the Coming of Jesus to call us home (not to be confused with the second coming of Christ which takes place in Revelation 19 KJV.) Please see notes below that show the difference between Day of Christ and the Day of the Lord.
Dr. Andy Woods definitely is in error when he uses his perverted NASB Bible and tells us that verse 2 of 2 Thessalonians Chapter 2 is translated as DAY OF THE LORD which means the Tribulation. JD Farag parrots what Andy Woods says because he also uses a perverted Bible translation. And thus, Angel White is correct in smacking JD Farag and contenting him to his face. Shame on you JD Farag again for using a perverted Bible translation and to you as well Dr. Andy Woods.
However, Dr. Woods and JD Farag are correct when they properly identify the phrase falling away as apostasia which can be translated as PHYSICAL DEPARTURE and not a SPIRITUAL DEPARTURE.
How can we prove the the King James Bible is correct:
Some believe physical departure is an impossible translation because it would seem scripture is saying in 2 Thessalonians 2:2-3 (paraphrased) “Don’t be upset and afraid, because the Rapture can’t take place until the Rapture happens first and then the AntiChrist will be revealed.”
But in reality if we take 1 Thessalonians 4:16 KJV which reads:
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
And verse 17 of 1 Thessalonians 4 KJV reads:
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
I am a licensed language teacher and have a fairly good understanding of English and Latin grammar. Looking carefully at verses 16 and 17 let’s study:
We see sequence of 3 events taking place in succession: 1: Jesus descends from the 3rd Heaven and appears up in the sky with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God. 2. The second event is set up following the colon from event 1. Note a colon introduces an element or series of elements that illustrates or amplifies the information that preceded the colon. Here we see The Rapture or Catching Snatching up Harpazo taking place to meet the Lord in the air. And most importantly the word THEN begins this sequence. The word then is an adverb meaning in context: NEXT… 3. The third event is set up following another colon which tells us that we shall ever be with the Lord.
Now, if we take this 3 step event and apply scripture with Scripture we know of course that Paul is talking about Jesus descending from the 3rd Heaven to get his church. So let’s take the steps in 2 Thessalonians 2:2-3 KJV.
Don’t be upset and scared that Jesus has already descended and you missed it. (Because someone sent you a fake letter saying you missed the Rapture) 2. This day (Jesus descending to get us) can not happen unless the physical departure that I spoke of in my first letter to you in 1 Thessalonians 4:16,17 has taken place. 3. AND the AC be revealed.
So once again we see Dr. Andy and his follower JD Farag who apparently doesn’t like to fact check very well, take a perverted Bible that says in 2 Thessalonians 2:2 DAY OF THE LORD which is definitely referring to the Tribulation. Their habitual use of taking a square peg and pounding the hell out of it to make it fit shows them not good workmen.
However, Thank God their eschatology is solid in believing and teaching the PreTribulation Rapture.
Dr. Hitson Phd Harvard defending the KJV using as a start John 3:16 KJV
Why I rebuke all Pastors using a modern Bible Translation and misleading their flock
epiousios: for the coming day, for subsistence
Original Word: ἐπιούσιος, ον
Part of Speech: Adjective
Phonetic Spelling: (ep-ee-oo’-see-os)
Definition: for the coming day, for subsistence
Usage: for the morrow, necessary, sufficient.
Church building where it all started. The place I was kicked out of Sunday School class at about the age of 6 years.
I don’t go to church: from a blood bought, born again Christian with over 50 years of going to church
These 501c3 brick and mortar buildings (and even those run under private or limited liability corp) run by apostate trained CEOs called pastors are not BIBLICAL. They are literally making Merchandise of you and your children and your children’s heritage. They are cursed by God under both Galatians 1:8,9 and 2 Peter 2:3… In fact 2 Peter 2:3, literally says these false teachers through feigned (study the word feigned: invented. fake. counterfeit. deception. fictitious. ) words make merchandise of you…
I’ve completed an 800 page Ebook containing over a thousand references, several thousand pages of source documentation titled: ” I don’t go to church. A 50 year testimony of attending church to say in agreement with Dr. Larkin, that today’s churches are building the kingdom of the Antichrist. ” see note 1 below… If anyone wants this open public domain book. I will email you a copy for free. Email me your request to firstname.lastname@example.org. Amazon lists it for $0.99. We wanted to post it for free. But Amazon requires a fee.
This church-going issue has now become my focus. I’m a retired US naval officer, and finished a career in consulting. and recently retired from teaching High school as a licensed teacher. I also spent years living in other countries, including over 6 yrs in Vietnam sharing Jesus with the Vietnamese people.
Here’s my testimony below:
To God be the glory Forever! Amen!
(1) “I Don’t Go to Church: The Church is The Body of Christ not a Building”reading it:
(2) My 50 year testimony of going to church to know today’s churches are building the kingdom of the antichrist LINK
(3) Brick and Mortar 501C3 buildings called churches run by apostate CEOs called pastors are not biblical LINK
Why Dispensationalism is important
(4) Why Bible Translations are important LINK
King James Version Bible for Today
Why Bible Translations really matter:
(5) MEGA TRAP CHURCH TRAP Double Bind of the Nicolaitans LINK
(6) Doing the Math on the Kingdom Parables of Matthew 13 LINK
(7) Manna and Leaven: How the modern false teachers use it LINK
(8) Nearly 80 % of churches do not discuss Bible Prophecy even though 25% of the Bible is about Prophecy. This includes the importance of the Rapture of the Body of Christ.
The Truth about the Rapture of the Body of Christ BEFORE the Tribulation:
(9) Christian, You don’t have to pay tithes LINK
(10) Salvation is secure our Eternal Security is Scripture LINK
Our Sins (sinful nature before Salvation) are wiped clean at salvation. Eternal Salvation is NOT a process… working out our salvation in the flesh is… Know the difference. False teachers use this against the unlearned….. Be a good Berean… LINK
Bible meaning of True Salvation LINK
Our Gospel for Today for Salvation
Entitlement = Imputed Righteousness of Jesus Christ our free gift at Regeneration LINK
(11) The Shepherd and The Shulamite
(12) Updates on the Apostate Church of Today
The Return 2020 DECEPTION
Disclaimer on E511
The Perfect Storm for American Civil War; Christian strive lawfully
DAY OF THE LORD AND DAY OF CHRIST ARE DEFINITELY DIFFERENT
I don’t agree that both DAY OF THE LORD AND DAY OF CHRIST are used interchangeable but it’s worth looking at BY Shredding the Vail:
Yes, the are interchangeable. Young’s Literal Translation has either “the day of our Lord Jesus Christ”, or “the day of our Lord Jesus”, or as in 2 Thess. 2:2, “the day of Christ”. The meaning is the same meaning as was used throughout the OT for “the day of the Lord.” It was a day of judgment of wicked people, or a particular country / nation who would not repent.
” For the day of the Lord of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:” (KJV)
” Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.” (KJV)
“For this is the day of the Lord God of hosts, a day of vengeance, that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood: for the Lord God of hosts hath a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates.” (KJV)
“Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the Lord.” (KJV)
“Woe unto you that desire the day of the Lord! to what end is it for you? the day of the Lord is darkness, and not light.” (KJV)
And, the phrases that are synonymous with “the day of the Lord” are “the day of visitation” (Isa. 10:3), the “time of their visitation” (Jer. 10:1), “the year of their visitation” (Jer. 48:44), “day of wrath” (Job 21:30; Zeph. 1:15; Rom. 2:5), and “day(s) of vengeance” (Isa. 61:2; 63:4; Jer. 46:10; Luke 21:22).
All of these are associated with the anger and wrath of God. Just so, when used again in the NT it spoke of the wrath of God, and the judgment that was coming upon them for crucifying Christ and persecuting His church.
2 Pet. 3:10,
“But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.” (KJV)
2 Pet. 3:10 is the same judgment prophesied from Ezek 22:19-22:
“Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Because ye are all become dross, behold, therefore I will gather you into the midst of Jerusalem.
20 As they gather silver, and brass, and iron, and lead, and tin, into the midst of the furnace, to blow the fire upon it, to melt it; so will I gather you in mine anger and in my fury, and I will leave you there, and melt you.
21 Yea, I will gather you, and blow upon you in the fire of my wrath, and ye shall be melted in the midst therof.
22 As silver is melted in the midst of the furnace, so shall ye be melted in the midst thereof; and ye shall know that I the Lord have poured out my fury upon you.” (KJV)
This was judgment language which we should all be familiar with from the OT, and spoke of the “heavens” that would pass. This was not speaking of the heaven where God sits on His throne as that will never pass away. So, then the “heavens” that would pass were the ruling authorities of the nation or nations under judgment. See Isa. 13:13; 34:4; 51:6; Joel 2:10; 3:16; Hag. 2:6, etc.
The judgment day spoken of throughout the NT was the judgment that was coming upon Jerusalem for their rejection of the Messiah. Paul was comforting the Thessalonians who were asking if Christ had come yet. Read 2 Thess. 2:2-5 carefully,
“That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?” (KJV)
Paul was reminding them of what to look for. If they had to ask Paul if the day of Christ had already happened, then they were afraid they had missed it. If “the day of Christ” meant “the end of the world” which so many today are making it to be, then why would the Thessalonians be wondering if they had missed the “end of the world”?
A day of judgment came upon wicked people after they had been warned of His coming, of His visitation, of His wrath, of His anger. Christ’s coming was a day of judgment against the tribes of Israel and they saw it by what had been foretold in Matt. 24, Luke 21, Mark 13… the destruction of that temple.
They were to watch for certain signs that would happen, and one of those was the lawless one, the man of sin. And, as Christ was speaking to His disciples – Jews – the warning was to Israel, and the land under judgment was Judea and the surrounding areas of Palestine. Therefore, the man of sin would have been someone directly involved with deceiving those in Judea and Jerusalem.
The lawlessness of which Paul spoke was already at work while he spoke to them. Therefore it was someone who was already living and was about to be revealed to them. Someone in the first century A.D. was the lawless one.
Many throughout history have associated this man of sin with Nero.
““And after many plagues completed in the world, in the end he says that a beast ascended from the abyss…that is, of the Romans. Moreover that he was in the kingdom of the Romans, and that he was among the Caesars. The Apostle Paul also bears witness, for he says to the Thessalonians: Let him who now restraineth restrain, until he be taken out of the way; and then shall appear the Wicked One, even he whose coming is after the working of Satan, with signs an lying wonders.’ And that they might know that he should come who then was the prince, he adds: ‘He already endeavours after the secret of mischief’ – that is, the mischief which he is about to do he strives to do secretly; but he is not raised up by his own power, nor by that of his father, but by command of God.” (From Victorinus, Commentary on the Apocalypse, ad 11:7; Ante-Nicene Fathers, p. 354.)
Others believe that the man of sin was one of the Zealots that caused the riots in Jerusalem, possibly John of Gischala:
“This John physically entered the Temple, presented himself to the Zealots as a God-sent ambassador; and persuaded them to defy the laws of Rome and go to war to gain independence. He also instigated the calling in the Idumaeans to keep the Jewish sympathizers from submitting to Rome. He ordered the death of Ananus and the removal of the priesthood. After these atrocities, he became the official leader of the Zealot group m control of theTemple area-john held the temple” and began disregarded the laws of Rome, God, and man, and promising deliverance from the Romans. ” From John Noe’s post “What About Paul’s Man of Sin” here.
The day of Christ, the day of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the day of Jesus Christ throughout the NT was the judgment day that was “at hand” when the books were written in the first century A.D. and was seen – observed – in the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple. The abomination of desolation – that which caused the desolation – was the Roman army whom God used to retaliate against the Jews.
They had used the Romans to carry out the crucifixion of our Lord and Savior. God then used the Romans to deliver His judgment in the day of His wrath in A.D. 70.
Exposition of II Thessalonians 1 & 2 here
My post “Days of His Visitation” at my blog ShreddingTheVeil