WARNING TO ALL PRE TRIB-DENIERS: IF YOU ARE SAVED which one would wonder considering how one could be so blind from the TRUTH you will not receive your crown of Righteousness at THE BEMA SEAT. You will also have to answer to Jesus Christ for trying to quench the Holy Spirit and attack the Saints.
Scripture is clear: There are false teachers who are the blind leading the blind. In the case of this Chaplain Bob Walker, he denies and misleads his followers by confusing, mixing and twisting scripture.The Pre-Tribulation RAPTURE is Biblical, and it will take place soon.
The PreTribulation Rapture is the truth!!! #Maranatha! (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
The Revelation12 Sign Rapture Revelation 12:5
Revelation 12 is The Rapture Celestial Sign and Debunking: Not knowing the Day or Hour of Rapture (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
Rapture watch Signs in the Heavens Revelation (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
The Yoke Masters Part 1 – Richard Jordan at Shorewood (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
We find The Lord’s Day in Revelation 1:10 that directly connects to Revelation 4:1 When John was Raptured *
* Note: we use the word raptured. This word comes from the Greek Harpazo – Caught up. Snatched, seized by force. G726. This is found in Revelation 12:5 The Revelation 12:5 Sign in the heaven signifying the Rapture. John being “called” COME UP HITHER Revelation 4:1 and not snatched up. The call UP hither and the ascension is from Strongs G305 ascend – abruptly in context taken from root G303 by implication with INTENSITY into the midst of Jesus Christ. (John was taken up in his spirit – not changed as we will be changed in a twinkling of any eye 1 Thessalonians 4:17.)
The 2 Witnesses in Revelation 11:12 were also taken up to heaven in the same language “Come up hither.”
A different study for a different day is Spirit vs spirit Revelation 1:10 – Revelation 4:1.
Continue reading below in this study to see the Church – the Body of Christ appearing in Revelation and definitely having a role in the PROPHECY OF JESUS CHRIST. The word Harpazo is also found in 2 Corinthians 12:2,4 *Paul Raptured into the 3rd Heaven, 1 Thessalonians 4:17 The Rapture of the Body of Christ.
The word HARPAZO – Rapture is also used in Revelation 12:5.
Read link of the Revelation 12 Sign
We Saints will definitely Rule with Christ
We Saints will literally rule with Christ (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
Revelation 12 is the Rapture Celestial Sign
Revelation 12 is The Rapture Celestial Sign and Debunking: Not knowing the Day or Hour of Rapture (thethirdheaventraveler.com)
However we see here Revelation 4:1 John being “called” UP and not snatched up. The call UP hither is from Strongs G305 ascend – abruptly in context taken from root G303 by implication INTENSITY into the midst of Jesus Christ.
This is significant in that this is not the prophesied promised event we the Body of Christ wait for in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 or Revelation 12:5 nor was it the unexpected snatching up of Paul in 2 Corinthians 12:2,4, nor was it the Acts 1:9 Ascent of Jesus Christ into Heaven in his self propelled ascent G1869 – in context of G142 (take upon oneself).
John was told, “Come up hither”. John on this Day which is holy (Sunday) was called by direct command and it immediately happened that he was before Jesus Christ and witnessed the testimony and foresaw the Body of Christ which is the 24 Elders, Revelation 4:4.
Note: See this study by H.A. Ironsides of the 24 Elders of Revelation as “representing” the Body of Christ – The Church. Note also the Church is absent after the Revelation chapter 5 and does NOT appear again until Revelation 19. The literary interlude of Revelation 12:5 is the only exception.
Revelation 4 – Ironside’s Notes on Selected Books – Bible Commentaries – StudyLight.org
As noted earlier in this study the 2 Witnesses were also told to “Come up hither.”
If the aforementioned scripture isn’t the clearest evidence of THE BODY OF CHRIST existing in Revelation in the promise of the Rapture then NOTHING ELSE IS… Yet this is the very essence these YOKE MASTERS – Hyper Dispensationalists want to steal from the Body of Christ by not including the church in Revelation.
See my Comments to Bob Walker’s misguided teaching:
Chaplain, your otherwise fairly solid Bible knowledge falls off the cliff here… yes, here You tragically display in grand form Your dismal pathetical ignorance. A scripture that sums you and your kind up in a nutshell: Professing yourselves wise you’ve become fools. & Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Greatly looking forward to seeing your facial expression when that day happens. 😄 Meanwhile… keep trudging…
You’re confusing Last Trump 1 Corinthians 15:51 with the final Trumpet Judgement Revelation 10:7. You’re also confusing the FIRST RESURRECTION whichever is the PRETRIBULATION RAPTURE SAINTS Revelation 20:6 refers to the Body of Christ caught up in the Pretribulation Rapture. This is the FIRST RESURRECTION. The SECOND RESURRECTION is for the lost who will be resurrected AFTER the MILLENNIAL REIGN of Christ and Judged at the GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGMENT and go into the SECOND DEATH .. Revelation 20:11-15 KJB. You’re confusing the Pretribulation Rapture Saints with the Tribulation Saints of which many will be martyred. The PreTrib Raptured Saints will join the Tribulation Saints at the Marriage Supper of the Lamb at the end of the Tribulation before the Battle of Armageddon. The Pretribulation Raptured Saints will then reign together with the Tribulation Saints for the Millennial Reign with Christ. Revelation 19:7,8,,11-16. 20:4-6. Please email me so we can get this straightened out. Thank you Chaplain.
See additional notes on distinguishing the LAST TRUMP and the Trumpet Judgments
See note 1 on distinguishing the LAST TRUMP and the Trumpet Judgments
See note 2 to debunk another attack by the PreTrib Deniers.
BIBLE, LAST TRUMP, PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE
The ‘Last Trump’ of Corinthians and the 7th trumpet of Revelation are not the same
Many people mistake the rapture as occurring during the Tribulation because of two different verses which they misinterpret the meaning of. Here they are:
“Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.” (1 Corinthians 15:50-52)
“The Seventh Trumpet—Christ’s Reign Foreseen: “Then the seventh angel sounded; and there were loud voices in heaven, saying,…” (Rev 11:15)
On the face of it, the two don’t look like they have much to do with each other, do they? And they don’t. But some people insist that they do, merely by virtue of the fact that in the 1 Cor, verse, there is mentioned a ‘last ump’ and in the Rev 11 verse there is mentioned a 7th trumpet of judgment being blown, which is the last trumpet of judgment in that series.
But of course the 7th Trumpet is NOT the Last trump. The only thing they have in common is that they are trumpets. You might as well tie Aaron’s trumpet into it, if you’re going to pick and choose trumpets. There are lots of trumpets in the bible. They:
- Regulate the journeys of the children of Israel.
- Call assemblies.
- Blow over the sacrifices on the feast day.
- Blow at all religious processions and ceremonies.
- Assemble the people to war.
- Sound for a memorial when the people went into battle.
- Proclaim kings.
- Give alarm in cases of danger.
- Announce miracles being performed
The trumpet of Revelation and the trumpet Paul speaks of in 1 Corinthians have nothing to do with each other. Here’s one reason why. The Trumpet judgments are spread over Rev 8-9-10-11. Rev 8:6 begins them- “And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.” Then Rev 10:7 tells us that when the last trumpet sounds, the wrath is DONE. Rev 10:7 “But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.” And Rev 11:15 declares that finish the woes with the 7th trumpet sounding: “And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, ‘The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.’”
So first of all, the trumpets conclude the wrath, to which we are not appointed.(1 Thessalonians 5:9). It is not a mystery when the wrath begins, either. It begins with the opening of the seal judgments and the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse are released, at Rev 6:1. As the seals are opened we are told that so begins the wrath, ‘the wrath has come.’ (Rev 6:17). Again, because we are not appointed to wrath, we will not be here for it. And that includes since Rev 6:1 so obviously we won’t be here for the 7th Trumpet judgment which occurs much later.
There is a second reason the 7th trumpet judgment and the ‘Last Trump” of 1 Corinthians 15:52 are not the same. You notice in the above verses, Angels blow the trumpets. The angels all line up. They all have a trumpet. Them they all blow one in turn. “And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets” (Rev 8:2). In the parallel rapture verse of 1 Thessalonians 4:16 it is the trump of God that is blown.
“15 For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord,d that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. 18Therefore encourage one another with these words.”
The last trump in 1 Thess 4:16 is the Trump of GOD.
“There are trumpets all over the bible. They were used for a variety of purposes. But there is one trumpet that is special. in Exodus 19 verses 16 to 19 a trumpet called the people out of the camp to meet God. It was a trumpet of assembly and it called them out of the camp to meet God. I believe this is a trumpet of assembly. In Zephaniah 1:16 and Zechariah 9:14 a trumpet was used as a signal of the Lord’s coming to rescue His people from wicked oppression. It was a deliverance trumpet. And I believe the trumpet on that day is an assembly trumpet and a deliverance trumpet. I believe when the trumpet blows it is to assemble the saints who have been called out of the graves to life with the living saints and it is also to call them out, to rescue them out from among those who oppress them, men and demons. There are many other trumpets associated with the end times, they tend to be trumpets of judgment, primarily as in Revelation 8 through 11.”
I hope you can see that the verses are clear that the wrath begins in Rev 6, and we will not be here for it. That the 7th trumpet is stated to conclude the wrath, and again, we will be long gone. And finally, just because it says a trumpet in both verses, does not mean they are the same event. The angels raise trumpets for judgments to begin and God shouts the trumpet for us to assemble.
Additional confusing attack by the PRETRIB DENIERS:
Here’s question I had from a reader:
I currently attend a dispensational church and use the kjv Bible but recently have been struggling to defend my position after someone pointed out that both the preterist and dispensational movements were created by Jesuits at the time of the reformation to take focus off the Catholic Church and there is documentation to that and I cannot find anything to refute it. I also have been struggling to the appointed to wrath. Couldn’t that also mean that those saved not being appointed to the white throne judgement, because there was horrific persecution of the church in Paul’s time.
Thank you for posting these concerns and questions. Regarding this supposed “documentation” that supposedly proves the Jesuits teaching preterist and dispensational teaching which is an outrageous lie, please provide me this supposed “documentation” and I will prove to you the complete lie of this false lunacy. In regard to your second question, the answer is no, appointed to WRATH is the time of Jacob’s Trouble, aka the Tribulation. The Great White Throne Judgment is AFTER God’s wrath has been poured out in 21 Judgments. The word Judgment means Judgment. Wrath is NOT Judgment. READ THE BIBLE FOR YOURSELF. Take the word WRATH and study the meaning of the word and the etymology (origin of this word). Then go to Strong’s G3709 WRATH and find that Wrath can be eternal judgment the lake of fire which ultimately will be the GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGMENT see for example scriptures like John 3:36, Matthew 3:7, Romans 5:9. HOWEVER, when using proper solid Bible Hermeneutics we must use CONTEXT, Exegesis (grammar and syntax, history background etc) and Compare scripture with scripture. We see that WRATH is referring DIRECTLY TO The Tribulation. We see G3709 is used in 1 Thessalonians 5:9 (escaping the Tribulation), Zephaniah 1:15 and Zephaniah 1:18 (Directly addressing the Time of Jacob’s Trouble the Tribulation), Luke 21:23 (Directly speaking about the Time of Jacob’s Trouble – The Tribulation) and the slam dunk are the following sample of scriptures that are directly in the Tribulation using WRATH G3709: Revelation 6:17, 11:18, 14:10, 15:7, 16:1, 19:15. Please send me links of these false teachers, these ignorant fools who are teaching you these lies. I will provide you more than enough to blow them out of the water. These liars are heaping hot coals upon their own heads. They will answer to God.